Two Deck Pitch Blackjack

alphastorm
  1. Pitch blackjack is a game where a deck (or two decks) is held by the dealer while in shoe blackjack, the decks are placed inside a box positioned at the dealer's left called the shoe. But aside from where decks are held and dealt from, what other differences does each blackjack game have?
  2. 2-deck Blackjack (pitch) 6-deck Blackjack (shoe) Bankroll: still figuring out, suggestions welcomed! Still figuring out, suggestions welcomed! Bets: Rapidly change, but doesn't last long: Slowly change, but you'll have more rounds to continue with ramped up bet: Cards, number of: 104: 312: Card-counting.
  3. Unlike real money blackjack tables online, there are very few 3-2 single deck blackjack games on the Las Vegas Strip these days. These casinos tightened up over the years. Single deck games became double deck or shoes with six or eight decks. The single deck games that remained started paying 6-5 on a natural.
Found this 2 deck blackjack game but they only deal out one deck then reshuffle. Bets are $25 min to $300 max. Is it even worth it to count?
edit for more info: It's not single deck. It's double deck but they only deal out 1 deck. So penetration is one deck. double on any two cards but aces only one card allowed(no resplit of aces), Sur allowed, Hit soft 17.

These blackjack games would use two decks of cards rather than the six- or eight-deck stacks found at tables using shoes or continuous shuffling machines. In pitch games, dealers hold the undealt. Two-decks cut-away? In a two-deck pitch game, they cut away about half.in the two -deck shoe games, they cut away about 1/3. In any event, I agree with the others here - play BS as you would with a 'new' 6-deck shoe.or, better still, wait for the shuffle! #8 topcard, Sep 7, 2017.

LostWages

Found this 2 deck blackjack game but they only deal out one deck then reshuffle. Bets are $25 min to $300 max. Is it even worth it to count?

I will venture a guess that you're actually playing single deck BJ, and from what I've read, single deck should be more favorable than DD, and easier to count. But there are some missing considerations to evaluate the 'DD BJ' game you found:
- Any estimate on PEN?
- Is it DAS or nDAS?
- SURR?
- RSA?
- Any idea of the HEAT?
- Is it S17 or H17?
If you can provide these conditions, I'll try another evaluation. I'm sure the more experienced card-counters will jump on it right away.
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The OP already told us the Penetration which is one deck dealt out (50%) for this Double Deck game. What are the exact rules anyways? That way you can know the House Edge and how to correctly play against it. Does dealer Hit or must they Stand on soft 17? May we double on any two cards or only allowed to double on say 9,10, and 11. Can we Surrender our hand?
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DD, H17, DAS, DA2, heads up, no RSA, no LS -- using Zen count, it's worth $72/hour, spreading 1x25 to 1x300. Spreading 2x25 to 2x300 it's $160/hour. Assumes 100 HPH. N0 is 22k and SCORE is thus 45.
If I could do 2x25 to 2x300, and could play it all day, I'd play it all day. Heads up, of course.
alphastorm
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I will venture a guess that you're actually playing single deck BJ, and from what I've read, single deck should be more favorable than DD, and easier to count. But there are some missing considerations to evaluate the 'DD BJ' game you found:
- Any estimate on PEN?
- Is it DAS or nDAS?
- SURR?
- RSA?
- Any idea of the HEAT?
- Is it S17 or H17?
If you can provide these conditions, I'll try another evaluation. I'm sure the more experienced card-counters will jump on it right away.


It's not single deck. It's double deck but they only deal out 1 deck. So penetration is one deck. double on any two cards but aces only one card allowed(no resplit of aces), Sur allowed, Hit soft 17.Romes
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Two Deck Pitch Blackjack Strategy

Okay rules (under .5%) not so good penetration, but most importantly is how is the heat? This is going to be your #1 issues. That's an 'okay' game to count, but you'd need to spread at least $25-$200 (the 'friendly' 1-8), but most DD games are usually watched fairly closely and followed up with heat. Heat is by far the #1 playing condition I look for. Even with 50% PEN, I'd play the hell out of this game if it had zero heat.
alphastorm
I'm a new counter. I've been backed off once at a different casino. I'm pretty sure it's being watched closely as that's the only non asm bj at the casino. I'm not even sure what to look for.
Romes
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I'm a new counter. I've been backed off once at a different casino. I'm pretty sure it's being watched closely as that's the only non asm bj at the casino. I'm not even sure what to look for.

How new are you? Being backed off doesn't always mean you have a winning game, just that the casino noticed you changing your bets. When you say you're not sure what to look for, do you mean in a game to count?
1) Heat
2) PEN
3) Rules (das, da2, surrender, h17/s17/, etc, etc, etc)Two Deck Pitch Blackjack
4) Limits (rare but some casinos have weird limits)
*this is just for basic card counting
I talk about how to find decent games/rules/etc in my 3 articles on this site.
Playing it correctly means you've already won.
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How new are you? Being backed off doesn't always mean you have a winning game, just that the casino noticed you changing your bets. When you say you're not sure what to look for, do you mean in a game to count?
1) Heat
2) PEN
3) Rules (das, da2, surrender, h17/s17/, etc, etc, etc)
4) Limits (rare but some casinos have weird limits)
*this is just for basic card counting
I talk about how to find decent games/rules/etc in my 3 articles on this site.


#1 has to be the hardest to gauge. Especially for newbies. There's the saying, 'there is no heat, until there's heat!'

2 Deck Pitch Blackjack

DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
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#1 has to be the hardest to gauge. Especially for newbies. There's the saying, 'there is no heat, until there's heat!'

Agreed entirely. Playing seems to be the best way (other than word of mouth) to gauge the heat level of a shop. That's why some pro's just blast away everywhere, because when they come across the places that don't care, then it's a camp fest.

2 Deck Pitch Blackjack Strategy

Playing it correctly means you've already won.